AP Taylor Swift
Welcome to AP Taylor Swift, the podcast for Swifties with English degrees (or those who just overanalyze everything). Each episode, we dive into a deep-reading of Taylor Swift’s lyrics to uncover the literary themes, references, and inspirations behind the songs to better understand and interpret why Taylor Swift’s songs resonate so deeply with fans. Subscribe to get new episode updates: aptaylorswift.substack.com/subscribe Follow us on social! TikTok → tiktok.com/@APTaylorSwift Instagram → instagram.com/APTaylorSwift YouTube → youtube.com/@APTaylorSwift Link Tree → linktr.ee/aptaylorswift Bookshop.org → bookshop.org/shop/apts
Episodes
6 days ago
E34: Deep Dive - I Know Places
6 days ago
6 days ago
They are the hunters we are the foxes, and we run. This week we’re covering “I Know Places” from 1989 (Taylor’s Version). Who’s running? Why are they running? What are the places they’re trying to get to? Does she actually know a place to hide? This is a dark and anxious song and we have questions! We explore how Taylor Swift uses metaphors to help make the relationship she’s singing about relatable. Then we examine how the music changes between the verses and the choruses, from anxious and scared to romantic and beautiful. And we’re left trying to answer the question: is this a reliable narrator? Tune in to find out!
Mentioned in this episode:
Fall episode
Metaphors episode
Pirates of the Caribbean
Friends
“Wonderland” episode
Zootopia
The Diary of Anne Frank
Star Wars: Rogue One
AIDA, Original Broadway Cast Recording
The Audacity of Hope
Marxist episode
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Episode Highlights:
[01:15] How we do a deep dive
[04:30] “It’s a scene and we’re out here in plain sight”
[09:01] “Baby…I know places we won’t be found”
[16:30] “Just grab my hand and don’t ever drop it”
[21:52] Is there a bridge?
[28:48] What’s the purpose of the song?
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Wednesday Apr 24, 2024
E33: Show and Tell - Animal Studies
Wednesday Apr 24, 2024
Wednesday Apr 24, 2024
Now it’s too late for you and your white horse. What do white horses, foxes, vultures, and wolves all have in common? They all show up in our favorite Taylor Swift songs! This week, we’re looking to understand how Taylor Swift uses animals in her lyrics, through the lens of animal studies! Jenn takes us back to medieval times to help us understand the origins of the white horse and what that means for “White Horse” (Fearless, 2008). Then Jodi talks to us about the many connotations associated with foxes and vultures, which are referenced in “I know places,” (1989, 2014). And finally, Maansi talks us through the song “Daylight” (Lover, 2014) where there are implications of the animalistic concept of hibernation, and also references to wolves.
Mentioned in this episode:
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
The Hobbit & Lord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkein
The Silmarillion by J.R.R. Tolkein
Rapunzel by the Brothers Grimm
Mythology by Edith Hamilton
Hercules the Disney film
Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (the film)
BBC’s In Our Time - Chivalry episode
BBC’s You’re Dead to Me
Shakespeare’s Sonnets
Ivanhoe by Sir Walter Scott
Le Morte D’Artur by Sir Thomas Malory
Lancelot: The Knight of the Cart by Chretien de Troyes
The Templar Knights by Dan Jones
Alison Weir Books
Zootopia
Mary Poppins
Brer Rabbit
Disney’s Robin Hood
The Dark Knight
Spiderman
Beowulf
The Wolf of Wall Street
Twilight
Once Upon a Time
Little Red Riding Hood by the Brothers Grimm
The Three Little Pigs
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Episode Highlights:
[01:12] Introduction to Animal Studies
[03:36] White horses in “White Horse,” Fearless, 2008
[23:05] Foxes & vultures in “I know places,” 1989, 2014
[38:19] Wolves in “Daylight,” Lover, 2019
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Sunday Apr 21, 2024
Bonus: "The Tortured Poets Department" Album Release Recap
Sunday Apr 21, 2024
Sunday Apr 21, 2024
All’s fair in love and poetry. The long-awaited album The Tortured Poets Department is officially out, and of course, we have thoughts! This bonus episode strays from our usual format to bring you as comprehensive of an overview as we can provide in one (rather long) episode. Be warned: you won’t find speculation about Taylor’s love life here. True to our usual content, we focus on the lyrics, the themes, and the literary choices Taylor makes to better understand what this album is all about. Join us as we give our first reactions, talk about Taylor’s “In Summation poem,” and briefly dissect a handful of songs that stood out to each of us.
Mentioned in this episode:
Check out our “The Tortured Poets Department” Booklist on Bookshop.org/APTS
E29: Show and Tell - Aestheticism
E27: Show and Tell - Poetic Repetition
E23: Show and Tell - Mad Women
E7: Show and Tell - Ecocriticism
Bonus: "The Tortured Poets Department" Announcement
E32: Deep Dive - Love Story
Episode Highlights:
[02:48] Our initial album reactions
[17:22] “In Summation” Poem overview
[29:53] Is this what we expected TTPD to be?
[38:16] loml
[44:39] I Can Do It With a Broken Heart
[53:24] So High School
[56:34] Florida!!!
[59:20] Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me?
[01:05:04] Down Bad
[01:13:28] So Long, London
[01:18:27] But Daddy I Love Him
[01:27:00] How Did It End?
[01:37:49] The Manuscript
[01:46:08] What do we think the album is about?
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Wednesday Apr 17, 2024
E32: Deep Dive - Love Story
Wednesday Apr 17, 2024
Wednesday Apr 17, 2024
You were Romeo, I was a Scarlet Letter. This week we’re covering an oldie but goodie–Taylor Swift’s “Love Story”, from Fearless (Taylor’s Version). In this very narrative-driven song, we get a chance to explore who the protagonists are and what they’re trying to say about their love “story. We explore why Taylor Swift references high school favorites “Romeo and Juliet” and “Scarlet Letter,” and what those metaphors may mean. The “Scarlet Letter” reference makes us look at this song from a whole new lens, forcing us to look at pronouns, verb tenses, and points of view–we promise you’ll never hear this song the same way again.
Mentioned in this episode:
Love Story, Fearless (Taylor’s Version)
Romeo and Juliet
Titanic
The Notebook
Tarzan of the Apes
Tim McGraw
Enchanted
Pride and Prejudice
Cinderella
How I Met Your Mother
Scarlet Letter
Easy A
I Did Something Bad
Jane Eyre
Emma
& Juliet
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Don’t Matter, Akon
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Episode Highlights:
[1:30] How we do a deep dive
[08:19] “You’ll be the prince and I’ll be the princess” The fairytale references
[14:50] “I was a Scarlet Letter” What this reference may mean
[20:32] “All that’s left to do is run” Where it all takes a turn
[28:42] “When I met you on the outside of town” We approach the bridge
[41:11] What we think the purpose of “Love Story” really is
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Wednesday Apr 10, 2024
E31: Show and Tell - Shakespeare
Wednesday Apr 10, 2024
Wednesday Apr 10, 2024
Fever dream high in the quiet of the night. What’s an AP class without a not-so-brief discussion about Shakespeare? Join us as we compare Taylor Swift to William Shakespeare, and find out why we think Shakespeare may have been the original pop star of his day. Shakespeare’s plays remain so relevant even today, so it’s only natural that Taylor Swift would find ways to allude to his works in her music. In this Show & Tell, we each pick one Shakespeare play and a Taylor Swift song that we feel best references and represents that play. Maansi ties Romeo & Juliet to “Love Story” (Fearless 2008), Jenn talks us through Julius Caesar references in “Bad Blood” (Reputation 2017), and Jodi draws parallels between Midsummer Night’s Dream and “Cruel Summer” (Lover 2019). We really put the AP in APTS with this discussion so push up your reading glasses, dust off your old Shakespeare text books, and get ready to get nerdy with us!
Mentioned in this episode:
William Shakespeare
The Tempest, William Shakespeare
The Canterbury Tales, Geoffrey Chaucer
Come Clean, Hilary Duff
Romeo and Juliet, William Shakespeare
Love Story, Fearless 2008
William Shakespeare’s Romeo + Juliet, 1996 film version
Romeo and Juliet, 1968 film version
Jenn’s Zac Efron version of 1960 Romeo and Juliet
West Side Story
Bad Blood, Reputation 2017
Shakespeare Birth Trust TL;DR
Folger Shakespeare Library
Julius Caesar, William Shakespeare
Julius Caesar, Performed at the Globe Theater, 2015
Bridgerton
Shakespeare in a Divided America, by James Shapiro
A Midsummer Night’s Dream, William Shakespeare
A Midsummer Night’s Dream 1999 film version
Cruel Summer, Lover 2019
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Episode Highlights:
[01:00] Shakespeare: The original pop artist
[09:38] Romeo & Juliet’s Love Story
[30:34] Julius Caesar’s Bad Blood
[51:06] Cruel Midsummer Night’s Dream
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This podcast is neither related to nor endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own. Intro music produced by Scott Zadig aka Scotty Z.
Wednesday Apr 03, 2024
E30: Deep Dive - gold rush
Wednesday Apr 03, 2024
Wednesday Apr 03, 2024
What must it be like to grow up that beautiful? In this episode, we deep dive into the beautiful “gold rush.” We dive into the historical context of the real-life gold rush and how the gold rush was presented to us as kids versus today as adults. Then, we dive into how the reality of history affects how we interpret this song. We also explore how fame or popularity connects to this song. Finally, we examine the siren call motif and the speaker's ultimate decision to resist the temptation of the gold rush. Ultimately, our takeaway is the importance of agency, boundaries, and the speaker’s decision to not engage with a gold rush.
Mentioned in this episode:
Oregon Trail (website)
Empty Mansions by Bell Deadman and Paul Clark Newell
Mean Girls
Harry Potter series
Mythology by Edith Hamilton
Glee
David Copperfield by Charles Dickens
Villette by Charlotte Bronte
“You’re Beautiful” by James Blunt
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Episode Highlights:
[05:15] - Introduction to historical context of the gold rush
[09:12] - The speaker’s perspective
[14:38] - The temptation to “jump in”
[24:08] - The siren call
[31:10] - The structure of the song
[38:52] - The convenience of a dream
[48:50] - Is this person worth it?
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Wednesday Mar 27, 2024
E29: Show and Tell - Aestheticism
Wednesday Mar 27, 2024
Wednesday Mar 27, 2024
Every bait and switch was a work of art. It’s time to get theoretical! In this week’s episode, we cover Aesthetic Theory–the experience of beauty, for the sake of beauty. Jodi starts us off quite literally with “Gorgeous” from reputation (2017). This prompts a discussion of “The Picture of Dorian Gray” by Oscar Wilde, and the similarities between the song’s obsession with the subject’s beauty, and the book’s fixation on the beauty and youth of Dorian Gray. Naturally, we talk about gender roles and the negative sides of focusing exclusively on a person’s beauty. Then, Jenn brings in “willow” from evermore (2020) as an example of a song that gave her an aesthetic experience. And Maansi brings it home with “gold rush,” also from evermore (2020), focusing on the detailed, artistic descriptions of beauty throughout the song.
Mentioned in this episode:
“The Picture of Dorian Gray,” Oscar Wilde
“The Giver,” Lois Lowry
“The Giver” movie
“Gorgeous,” reputation
“willow,” folklore
“gold rush,” folklore
The Aeneid, Virgil
The Pit and the Pendulum, Edgar Allen Poe
The Odyssey, Homer
Important definitions:
Aestheticism: aestheticism promoted an "art for art's sake" philosophy, celebrating beauty as free of moral or utilitarian considerations
Hedonism: the pursuit of pleasure; sensual self-indulgence.
Ekphrasis: the use of detailed description of a work of visual art as a literary device.
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Episode Highlights:
[01:10] Introduction to Aestheticism
[08:59] “Gorgeous,” reputation
[26:03] “willow,” evermore
[40:37] “gold rush,” evermore
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Wednesday Mar 20, 2024
E28: Deep Dive - Shake It Off
Wednesday Mar 20, 2024
Wednesday Mar 20, 2024
That’s What People Say (ooh ooh). In this deep dive episode, we get into the groove of Taylor Swift's “Shake It Off” from her album 1989 (Taylor’s Version). We start by discussing how the song acts as a strategic move by Swift to rebrand herself as a pop artist and connect with a larger audience. We look at how Taylor addresses the haters and criticisms she’s received over the years through her lyrics. And we make the case that this is not a simple song–it’s a therapeutic anthem of resilience, empowerment, and growth. Jodi and Jenn get flashbacks to grad school thinking about this song, and Maansi…well, listen to hear what Maansi really thinks about this song.
Mentioned in this episode:
“Shake It Off”
How Taylor Swift Made Me a Better Marketer
The Spare
Clare @colormelovely
Mean
TIME Person of the Year profile
Risky Business, the rock band at Ross
Mean Girls
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Episode Highlights:
[02:15] How “Shake It Off” fits into Taylor’s musical catalog
[07:01] “It’s gonna be alright”
[10:44] Taylor as a marketing GENIUS
[16:41] “I stay out too late”
[22:52] Looking at this song 10 years later
[30:30] Was there another option as the first single?
[37:25] The purpose of the song
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Wednesday Mar 13, 2024
E27: Show and Tell - Poetic Repetition
Wednesday Mar 13, 2024
Wednesday Mar 13, 2024
You go talk to your friends, talk to my friends, talk to me. Let’s get ready for "The Tortured Poets Department" and explore the concept of poetic repetition in Taylor Swift's songs. From understanding epizeuxis and anaphora to seeing how Taylor uses these devices in “We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together”’ “Shake It Off” and “This Love,” we discuss how repetition can seem deceptively simple while still communicating a clear message. Understanding the purpose of any text can help enrich your experience of that art, and this week’s episode helps us understand the power of some of Taylor’s less complicated lyrics. Tune into this week’s conversation to see why simplicity can be powerful, and perhaps we may even convince you to appreciate a song you don’t necessarily want to listen to on repeat.
Note: This episode was recorded before the "The Tortured Poets Department" announcement. We hope it helps us all prepare for the album!
Helpful definitions:
Epizeuxis (a.k.a. palilogia) - the immediate repetition of a word or phrase for rhetorical or poetic effect. For example, "the children squealed with glee, with glee” or “Shake it off, shake it off”
Anaphora - repetition of a word or expression at the beginning of successive phrases, clauses, sentences, or verses especially for rhetorical or poetic effect. For example, Lincoln's "we cannot dedicate—we cannot consecrate—we cannot hallow—this ground.” OR “Please don’t be in love with someone else, please don’t have somebody waiting on you.”
Epistrophe - repetition of a word or expression at the end of successive phrases, clauses, sentences, or verses especially for rhetorical or poetic effect. For example, Lincoln's "of the people, by the people, for the people.” or “And it was enchanting to meet you / All I can say is it was enchanting to meet you”
Mentioned in this episode:
Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens
King Lear by William Shakespeare
Walden by Thoreau
Macbeth by William Shakespeare
Mean Girls
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
Friends
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Episode Highlights:
[01:25] Introduction to Poetic Repetition
[06:43] “We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together,” Red (Taylor’s Version)
[22:00] “Shake It Off,” 1989 (Taylor’s Version)
[40:45] “This Love,” 1989 (Taylor’s Version)
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Wednesday Mar 06, 2024
E26: Deep Dive - Haunted
Wednesday Mar 06, 2024
Wednesday Mar 06, 2024
"It’s coming over you like it was all a big mistake." In this week’s episode, we dive into the Speak Now (Taylor’s Version) classic “Haunted.” We discuss how Taylor Swift’s song captures the haunting and fragile nature of relationships, the devastation of loss, and the immediate aftermath of a breakup. In true form, we also tie the idea of a haunting break up back to our careers, and what it can feel like when you are constantly wondering “what if” about your past decisions. Whether you want some strong emotions or a bit of verb tense analysis, we get into it all in our conversation about “Haunted.”
Mentioned in this episode:
Broadway Sings Taylor Swift
Phantom of the Opera
Romeo and Juliet
Madeline
Rebecca by Daphne du Maurier
“The Crown” Netflix
"The Year of Taylor Swift” from The Daily
Slaughterhouse Five
Moulin Rouge
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Episode Highlights:
[00:25] Introduction to "Haunted"
[02:35] The theme of haunting in Taylor’s music
[14:18] When you’re haunted by work or other relationships
[22:24] When you’re haunted by the “what if”
[37:56] The purpose of “Haunted”
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