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E110: Taylor Swift's High School Songs - A High School Musical Comparison

"I'm not a princess, this ain't a fairy tale." What happens when we look at Taylor Swift's music through the lens of high school—specifically, the cultural phenomenon that is “High School Musical”? This week, we explore how adolescence shapes storytelling in literature, film, and music. From the fairy tale expectations in "White Horse" to the transformative power of "Change" to the nostalgia of "So High School," we discuss how Taylor's perspective on high school has evolved over time, and why these coming-of-age narratives continue to resonate across generations.
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Mentioned in this episode: 
High School Musical (2006)
The Catcher in the Rye, J.D. Salinger
A Separate Peace, John Knowles
The Perks of Being a Wallflower, Stephen Chbosky
The Breakfast Club
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Episode Highlights
[01:08] Why High School Musical?
[02:42] Adolescence as a theme in literature
[07:22] "White Horse" and Gabriella's fairy tale
[20:09] "Change" and high school transformation
[29:20]  "So High School" and looking at teenage love as an adult
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We're All in This Together: Why High School Musical Became a Cultural Phenomenon (After School Paid Preview)

"How did a made-for-TV Disney Channel movie become the defining musical of a generation?"
This month on After School, we're discussing High School Musical, the 2006 Disney Channel original movie that launched a thousand basketball-playing singers and made "Get Your Head in the Game" an iconic song. For this bonus episode for paid subscribers, we dive deep into why this cheesy, swoopy-haired phenomenon resonated so strongly with millennials and continues to trend with Gen Z today.
From the cultural timing of musicals' renaissance to the universal themes of fitting in while staying true to yourself, we explore what made High School Musical iconic. We discuss the movie's connection to the broader musical theater landscape of the early 2000s, the genius of making a musical about musicals, and why Zac Efron's portrayal of Troy Bolton became the heartthrob template for a generation.
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E109: "seven" Line-by-Line Analysis | Taylor Swift's folklore hit

"Please picture me in the trees... before I learned civility." This week, we're deep diving one of folklore's most haunting and emotionally complex tracks: "seven." By popular request from our listeners, we explore this fan-favorite song that captures childhood innocence, the weight of adult responsibilities placed on young shoulders, and the bittersweet process of looking back at formative moments that shaped who we've become. From cross-your-heart promises to haunted houses, we unpack how Taylor Swift captures the complexity of childhood experiences that are simultaneously innocent and deeply serious.
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Mentioned in this episode: 
Peter Pan 
Aaron Dessner interview with Vulture
folklore: the long pond studio sessions 
Unreliable narrators Substack
Ring Around the Rosie and the Black Plague
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Episode Highlights
[00:40] Introduction and After School program announcement
[08:55] "Please picture me in the trees"
[12:10] “Feet in the swing”
[23:15] The bridge: "And I've been meaning to tell you"
[35:00] "Before I learned civility, I used to scream ferociously"
[50:10] Purpose discussion: What is this song really about?
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E108: "That's a Real Legacy to Leave": Taylor Swift and the Art of Intentional Ambiguity in seven, Maroon, and loml

"That's a Real Legacy to Leave." This week, we're diving deep into the art of double meanings in Taylor Swift's songwriting! Join us as we explore how Taylor crafts lyrics that can be interpreted in multiple ways simultaneously, and how she uses this technique to add layers of depth to her storytelling. We analyze three songs where the titles themselves contain double meanings: "seven" from folklore, "Maroon" from Midnights, and "loml" from The Tortured Poets Department. From the ambiguity of hitting your peak at seven (feet? years old?) to the devastating transformation from "love of my life" to "loss of my life," we uncover Taylor's intentional wordplay and what it reveals about her meticulous craft.
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Mentioned in this episode:
Hamilton
Homer's The Odyssey
Lord of the Rings: Return of the King
The Summer I Turned Pretty
Episode Highlights:
[00:00] Introduction and After School content announcement
[01:37] What is double meaning? (Plus the difference from double entendre)
[04:53] "Seven" - Peak at seven feet or age seven?
[15:58] "Maroon" - The color and being marooned
[24:06] "LOML" - From love to loss of my life
[36:40] Pattern discovery: Why titles matter
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E107: State of Grace Deep Dive: Taylor Swift's Transition from Fantasy to Reality on Red

"I'm walking fast through the traffic lights, busy streets and busy lives." This week, we're deep diving "State of Grace" from Red (2012), exploring how this opening track marks a turning point in Taylor's approach to love songs. We unpack the religious meaning of "state of grace" and what it reveals about forgiveness and fresh starts, discuss how the gritty reality of New York City replaces the fairy tale imagery of earlier albums, and examine what it means to navigate love as a 22-year-old trying to prove you're an adult. From Catholic theology to the "freshman year of the real world," this episode explores how Taylor transitions from fantasy romance to the messy, complicated truth of real relationships.
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Mentioned in this episode: 
Definition of “State of Grace” 
Enchanted
The Summer I Turned Pretty
Plato’s Symposium and Twin Flames
The Odyssey
E102: Parallel Taylor Songs 
 
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Episode Highlights: 
[01:25] “State of Grace” title and meaning
[04:36] “I’m walking fast through the traffic lights”
[10:25] “We are alone with our changing minds”
[12:56] “I never saw you coming, and I’ll never be the same”
[13:53] “You come around and the armor falls”
[19:37] “You were never a saint and I loved in shades of wrong”
[26:27] “This is the worthwhile fight” 
[35:30] The purpose of the song
 
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One Month with Taylor Swift's “The Life of a Showgirl”: Our Honest Reactions (After School Paid Preview)

“Pledge allegiance to your hands, your team, your vibes.” In this preview of our After School episode, we're reflecting on our first month with Taylor's latest album. We dive into why certain Taylor albums create earworms while others don't, how her genre-hopping creates completely different fan bases, and whether we just accidentally invented a personality test based on your top two Taylor albums (spoiler: it's better than Myers-Briggs). Plus, we debate whether "an album full of bops" can stand the test of time, or if that's exactly what we needed right now.
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E106: Stumble On Home to My Cats: Taylor Swift’s Cat Songs - State of Grace, Gorgeous, and Beautiful Ghosts

"I'll dance with these beautiful ghosts and I'll choose to be wild and free." What happens when we view Taylor Swift's music through the lens of our feline friends? In this week's Show & Tell episode, we explore three songs that connect to the world of cats in different ways. From the mysterious cat distribution system to reclaiming the "cat lady" trope, we discuss how cats represent independence, mystery, and the feminine in both literature and Taylor's music. Plus, we dive into why men who hate cats might be revealing more about themselves than they think.
 
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Mentioned in this episode:
Cat Distribution System - internet phenomenon
Cats Musical - Andrew Lloyd Webber
TS Elliot Old Possum's Book Of Practical Cats
Marx for Cats
Beautiful Ghost - Taylor Swift & Andrew Lloyd Webber, 2019
Cats (2019 film)
The Cheshire Cat - Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland
Professor McGonagall - J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter
The Black Cat - Edgar Allan Poe
 
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Episode Highlights: 
[00:37] All about cats!
[09:22] "State of Grace" and the cat distribution system
[17:18] "Gorgeous" and reclaiming the cat lady trope
[27:08] "Beautiful Ghost" and choosing wild freedom
 
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Celebrating Our Favorite Childless Cat Lady: Dissecting Cats the Movie and Taylor Swift’s Role in It (After School Paid Preview)

"How high was Andrew Lloyd Webber when he wrote this and on what exactly?"
This month on After School, we're discussing Cats, the 2019 movie musical featuring Taylor Swift as Bombalurina. For this bonus episode for paid subscribers, we watched and dissected Tom Hooper's infamous film adaptation. From the uncanny CGI to Taylor's scene-stealing performance to the existential question of cat proportions, we explore what went wrong (and occasionally right) in translating Andrew Lloyd Webber's 1981 stage musical to the big screen.
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Mentioned in this episode:
T.S. Eliot's Old Possum's Book of Practical Cats (1939)
Cats (2019 film) directed by Tom Hooper
Taylor Swift's "Beautiful Ghosts" (written for the film)
E3: Alice in Wonderland
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E105: I guess I'll never, ever know… “Now That We Don’t Talk” Deep Dive

“You part the crowd like the Red Sea, don't even get me started.” This week, we're deep diving "Now That We Don't Talk" from 1989 (Taylor's Version). This vault track is lyrically dense, structurally complex, and emotionally devastating in its exploration of uncertainty, insecurity, and the relationships that leave us wanting more. We analyze biblical references, rhetorical questions, enjambment, and why this song was ultimately too insecure to make the original 1989 album. Join us as we unpack how Taylor uses poetic devices to create a haiku-like meditation on the aftermath of an intimate relationship—whether romantic, platonic, or something in between.
 
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Mentioned in this episode: 
Wicked, the book, movie, and musical
E102: Wicked 
E3: Alice in Wonderland
E98: Unreliable Narrators
E55: Rhetorical Questions
 
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Episode Highlights: 
[01:53] “Now That We Don’t Talk” 
[05:06] “You went to a party/I heard from everybody”
[10:25] “And from the outside/ It looks like you're tryin' lives on”
[15:38] “I call my mom, she said that it was for the best”
[25:47] “Truth is I can't pretend it's platonic, it's just ended”
[37:00] “I don't have to pretend I like acid rock”
[42:48] “And the only way back to my dignity”
[49:02] The purpose of “Now That We Don’t Talk”
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E104: Just a Girl on a Mission: Connecting Wicked to Taylor Swift’s “A Place In This World,” “Treacherous,” and “Now That We Don’t Talk”

This week on AP Taylor Swift, we're doing something special, a Wicked-themed show and tell! With Wicked: For Good coming out soon, we're embracing our inner theater kids and connecting Taylor Swift's music to this beloved story. From the 1995 Gregory Maguire book to the 2003 Broadway musical to the upcoming film adaptation, we explore how “A Place in This World,” “Treacherous,” and “Now That We Don’t Talk” all perfectly capture the complex relationships and emotional journeys in the Land of Oz. 
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Mentioned in this episode: 
Wicked: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West (1995 book by Gregory Maguire)
Wicked movie adaptation (2024-2025 film)
The Wizard of Oz by L. Frank Baum (the original book that inspired Wicked)
Bridgerton 
Alice in Wonderland
 
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Episode Highlights: 
00:00:35
Intro to the topic of Wicked 
00:07:05
“A Place In This World” 
00:15:20
“Treacherous” 
00:28:34
“Now That We Don’t Talk”
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